Curse

-Makai- · Jun 26, 2010, 01:36 AM // 01:36

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Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz

2) drives away scrubby role players who give a shit about immersion

Right, because we wouldn't want the original concept of RPGs to pollute the enjoyment of phat lewtz, or whatever the vernacular is these days. God forbid role players enjoy their favorite genre in a gaming era that doesn't give a shit about them.

Oleg · Jun 26, 2010, 01:57 AM // 01:57

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Originally Posted by Arden Kindlecorpse

Oleg.

Stop trolling you naughty boy.

I hope your 'net is back in working order soon though

So do I Ardy old boy, so do I.

Apparently there are quite a few people who are strangers to the expression "tongue in cheek". Seriously, "The Bill Gates of Kryta". How could anypone take that seriously (although I do kind of like the Coke vs Pepsi PvP). I thought the billboards ridiculous until I saw the one posted here (and I do like the Coke shield - well done guys).

I had become fairly sick of every thread becoming a "we want more free stuff / just be happy with what you're given for a free to play game" argument. Either that or Care bears / PVP, or the ever popular "this is too hard / easy - overpowered / ignored".

I have not stated what my preference was, nor have I stated that Anet are so strapped for cash that they are desperate for more money. Foolishly I put a topic forward for discussion. What was I thinking? Discussions in a Forum, unheard of.

So read the original post again. I'm not suggesting Anet begin implementing product placement. I'm asking what your reaction would be if they did. What level of advertising would you find acceptable? None? Obvious and dominant? There is no right answer here. What I do request is that you not only provide your opinion but back it up, give your reasons.

It's very easy to say: It would ruin the game, /notsigned. I'm not sure what you aren't signing, but you've made your stance known. Now explain why. The coke shield is an excellent example. Or, putting Red Bull advertising in the please take a break message. Both hilarious and they demonstrate the point quite well (that is unless I've misread the tone and they would actually like to see this). Interestingly, some people wouldn't mind these, others would hate it. The interesting thing for me is WHY you would love or hate it. If you can't back up your opinion, then there isn't much point expressing it. It's just verbal masturbation.

Rhamia Darigaz · Jun 26, 2010, 02:30 AM // 02:30

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Originally Posted by Nerel

They'll certainly need the additional revenue streams from advertising/product placement if they only expect to sell the game to arrogant, elitist dicks....

lol, is funny because he call me dick for saying bad things about other people, but he say bad things about other people! do you make jokes for a living? you're very good at it.

belshazaarswrath · Jun 26, 2010, 02:56 AM // 02:56

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Originally Posted by Oleg

So do I Ardy old boy, so do I.

Apparently there are quite a few people who are strangers to the expression "tongue in cheek". Seriously, "The Bill Gates of Kryta". How could anypone take that seriously (although I do kind of like the Coke vs Pepsi PvP). I thought the billboards ridiculous until I saw the one posted here (and I do like the Coke shield - well done guys).

I had become fairly sick of every thread becoming a "we want more free stuff / just be happy with what you're given for a free to play game" argument. Either that or Care bears / PVP, or the ever popular "this is too hard / easy - overpowered / ignored".

I have not stated what my preference was, nor have I stated that Anet are so strapped for cash that they are desperate for more money. Foolishly I put a topic forward for discussion. What was I thinking? Discussions in a Forum, unheard of.

So read the original post again. I'm not suggesting Anet begin implementing product placement. I'm asking what your reaction would be if they did. What level of advertising would you find acceptable? None? Obvious and dominant? There is no right answer here. What I do request is that you not only provide your opinion but back it up, give your reasons.

It's very easy to say: It would ruin the game, /notsigned. I'm not sure what you aren't signing, but you've made your stance known. Now explain why. The coke shield is an excellent example. Or, putting Red Bull advertising in the please take a break message. Both hilarious and they demonstrate the point quite well (that is unless I've misread the tone and they would actually like to see this). Interestingly, some people wouldn't mind these, others would hate it. The interesting thing for me is WHY you would love or hate it. If you can't back up your opinion, then there isn't much point expressing it. It's just verbal masturbation.

I don't understand the shitbrickery and "OMG TROLL" myself. As you said you weren't advocating anything but just posing a question.

Anyway I think that if if they tastefully put in advertisements it would be just fine even a little bit nice. I'm sure many of us enjoy the various references to things in the modern universe that exist in guild wars now ("Sleep Now in The Fire", "For Great Justice" ect...). When you see it you're like "hey I recognize that!" You'd get that same feeling just from products rather than cultural references. And anet doesn't necessarily have to pick big conglomerate companies either. They could throw in some type of reference to a trendy clothing store (Obey mayhaps?) or a new indie game that's just come out.

As long as they aren't heavy handed with their product placement (Let's go to Pepsi gully and slay the tide dragon!) and it isn't too excessive (we don't need brand names on everything obviously) I'm sure it'd be a fun for us and profitable for them. Everyone wins. And if the revenue makes it possible for them to roll out more updates more often that's another perk for us.

I don't see how that would betray their "integrity" any more than anything else anet throws in the game. Also as far as immersion goes...if you are so immersed in the game that you forget that there is a real world with pepsi, coke, and munnies you might need a little dose of reality.

I think this is a really interesting idea that is worth thinking about. Just auto dismissing it because "omg da man is try to geht moar munniez frum us!" is a little narrow minded if you ask me.

*Darcy* · Jun 26, 2010, 03:17 AM // 03:17

I wouldn't like it. I am not a strict RPG player, but I pretty much play only sword & sorcery games. Modern product ads would ruin that atmosphere for me. Now if ArenaNet comes out with a new game with a more modern setting then it wouldn't bother me to see ads for current products.

PuppyEater · Jun 26, 2010, 03:36 AM // 03:36

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Originally Posted by Sante_Kelm

Right, because we wouldn't want the original concept of RPGs to pollute the enjoyment of phat lewtz, or whatever the vernacular is these days. God forbid role players enjoy their favorite genre in a gaming era that doesn't give a shit about them.

The realization that any non-pen/paper rpg is nothing a thin veneer of fantasy over loot farming and minmax'n for the win is like a kick to the crotch with lead clown shoes...

All though wotc's new "d&d" might make that all rpg's...

ZenRgy · Jun 26, 2010, 04:48 AM // 04:48

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Originally Posted by Sante_Kelm

Right, because we wouldn't want the original concept of RPGs to pollute the enjoyment of phat lewtz, or whatever the vernacular is these days. God forbid role players enjoy their favorite genre in a gaming era that doesn't give a shit about them.

Nobody gives a shit about them because they operate in a way that segregates themselves off from the rest of the community.

PuppyEater · Jun 26, 2010, 04:57 AM // 04:57

Honestly it works in a present day setting but not in any kind of medieval fantasy. If this were a modern set game about mafia battles or some such jazz I'd say bring it on. Not every work of fiction needs to take place in a parallel dimension devoid of any existing brand names...

-Makai- · Jun 26, 2010, 06:12 AM // 06:12

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Originally Posted by PuppyEater

The realization that any non-pen/paper rpg is nothing a thin veneer of fantasy over loot farming and minmax'n for the win is like a kick to the crotch with lead clown shoes...

All though wotc's new "d&d" might make that all rpg's...

Oh, the times, they are a changin'.

Amy Awien · Jun 26, 2010, 07:45 AM // 07:45

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Originally Posted by Oleg

What level of advertising would you find acceptable? None?

That is correct, none.

If I pay for a product I don't want to see ads - and I don't need to provide arguments. Period.

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Originally Posted by Oleg

... ingame store downloadable content. ...

Free2Play MMO's make their income entirely from associated webstores. There are some aspects of these - such as consumables sold only for real world money - that I wouldn't want to see in GW, but I can imagine that, for instance, fashion, clothes or other visible trinkets could add a usefull source of income.

Oleg · Jun 26, 2010, 12:16 PM // 12:16

AION wings were an ad for AION and people actively sought them. An ad doesn't need to be a banner across your screen. It doesn't matter that AION and GW are owned by the same company. This was a cross promotion and people bought into it. Anet just found a very clever way of doing it.

Anet and Coke could do a cross promototion. GW images appear on Coke bottles with ingame content codes on the inside lid of the bottle. You enter this code as you do with any key in GW. Then whenever you want to access an account wide special item (like the imp, or various weapons) you type /Coke to reclaim the item.

The item you are claiming could be consistent with the game. It wouldn't need to be a coke branded item. Coke have already got what they want out of it by your buying their drink. You are constantly reminded of their product everytime you type /Coke to reclaim the special item.

The item you are claiming is paid for by Coke. The game looks the same but with a few new weapons or minis (or whatever). Players get more free content. Resources are saved due to the cross-promotion.

So I would say that you should make a case for why you would want no ingame advertisements when GW already has it and you didn't seem to notice.

Again, you don't have to like it. I'd be surprised if everyone thought the same about this. But providing your opinion without providing the basis for your opinion is a wasted entry.

belshazaarswrath · Jun 26, 2010, 12:36 PM // 12:36

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

That is correct, none.

If I pay for a product I don't want to see ads - and I don't need to provide arguments. Period.

Then teh internets are not for ju?

FengShuiDove · Jun 26, 2010, 01:14 PM // 13:14

Shoot, I'll be disappointed if GW2 DOESN'T have a Mountain Dew quest line that unlocks Signet of Toxic Shock.

More selling out please!

-Makai- · Jun 26, 2010, 05:57 PM // 17:57

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Originally Posted by FengShuiDove

Shoot, I'll be disappointed if GW2 DOESN'T have a Mountain Dew quest line that unlocks Signet of Toxic Shock.

More selling out please!

^ This.

Having given the question some more thought, I think in-company adverts are fine, so long as they aren't in the game itself. Take Steam for example: it has oodles of advertisements for its own stuff, but once you get into HL2: DM, you don't see Left 4 Dead posters and BUY OUR STUFF billboards.

mrmango · Jun 27, 2010, 09:10 AM // 09:10

Yeah not happening.

iTzF3aR · Jun 27, 2010, 09:46 AM // 09:46

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Originally Posted by Sante_Kelm

Unlike some game developers (*points a finger at EA and their new Sims 3 streaming ad "feature"*), Anet actually has a little thing called integrity.

Lol Anet with integrity. Made my day.

Phaern Majes · Jun 27, 2010, 05:31 PM // 17:31

No, what a lousy idea. It's bad enough our culture finds a way to put product placement into every television show and movie. Don't **** with my games too. I'd rather pay a subscription then see this crap in game.

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Originally Posted by Oleg

AION wings were an ad for AION and people actively sought them. An ad doesn't need to be a banner across your screen. It doesn't matter that AION and GW are owned by the same company. This was a cross promotion and people bought into it. Anet just found a very clever way of doing it.

Its not really the same. The /aion emote requires a player to actively choose to use it. Putting billboards and crap like it in game leaves the player no choice in the matter. Also if anything it was NCSoft promoting GuildWars to Aion players not the other way around. Technically speaking anyone who has the wings SHOULD have a copy of Aion already, as selling the product key is against EULA (though I understand it happens anyways). Even the leaflet reads, "Guild Wars Your Wings Await!" Which mentions nothing of Aion.

I pay money for games to avoid the all the ads and malware associated with free games. If ads are your thing, there are plenty of free browser based games out there for you to play.

However, this point would extent to your example of typing /coke to get a reward. I don't care about any promotional things, those are fine. As long as I'm not seeing ads in-game, on the login screen, or during the update process I'm fine with whatever else they do to get money.

PuppyEater · Jun 27, 2010, 07:18 PM // 19:18

The sad thing is it is inevitable. People hate ads period yet at some point it became socially acceptable to cram 5+ commercials at the beginning of a movie on top of ever rising ticket prices so what's to say the same wont happen to pay for games as well?

Oh and lets not forget cable tv with commercials. That still makes me wtf? to this day...

chadS · Jun 27, 2010, 07:19 PM // 19:19

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Originally Posted by iTzF3aR

Lol Anet with integrity. Made my day.

When it comes to this, they do.

jazilla · Jun 27, 2010, 07:34 PM // 19:34

fail attempt at humor is humorous in its own right. kudos to you OP.